Just imagine. It is Summer 2014, four short years ago. Obama is President; Kerry is VP. Sorry, can't imagine that. Kerry was never the Vice president, so I don't see the point.
Also a PSA for you, more than anyone else: when Clinton got investigated/impeached I hated what he did. I was embarrassed about voting for him and supporting him, and I felt tremendously bad for his wife (and still do!) yet I still supported him. I think the rationale for this might fall along the lines of: "Yes, he's been a cockup from soup to nuts in some ways, but I still support him on policy/along ideological lines/for his handling of the overall direction of the country/because he gives me a feeling of hope while this other person does not" or whatever.
You're going to run into the same problem with your Republican and Trump supporting, ah... *looks up and quotes* "friends": they're going to feel the same way, only about Trump. There's no rational discourse possible for most readers using this approach. I was not rational about Clinton (though longterm, the whole scandal left a bad enough feeling that if I could've voted in 2000 - but I'd just moved states and couldn't update license info quickly enough - I might've voted for Bush) and I can pretty much promise you that your right-leaning/Trumpist friends are not/will not be rational about Trump.
And though I resent them for it, and don't agree with their reasons, I do understand.
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dancing_serpent
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Date: 2018-08-24 09:19 am (UTC)Sorry, can't imagine that. Kerry was never the Vice president, so I don't see the point.
Also a PSA for you, more than anyone else: when Clinton got investigated/impeached I hated what he did. I was embarrassed about voting for him and supporting him, and I felt tremendously bad for his wife (and still do!) yet I still supported him. I think the rationale for this might fall along the lines of: "Yes, he's been a cockup from soup to nuts in some ways, but I still support him on policy/along ideological lines/for his handling of the overall direction of the country/because he gives me a feeling of hope while this other person does not" or whatever.
You're going to run into the same problem with your Republican and Trump supporting, ah... *looks up and quotes* "friends": they're going to feel the same way, only about Trump. There's no rational discourse possible for most readers using this approach. I was not rational about Clinton (though longterm, the whole scandal left a bad enough feeling that if I could've voted in 2000 - but I'd just moved states and couldn't update license info quickly enough - I might've voted for Bush) and I can pretty much promise you that your right-leaning/Trumpist friends are not/will not be rational about Trump.
And though I resent them for it, and don't agree with their reasons, I do understand.